1 00:00:09,669 --> 00:00:08,150 today i'm going to talk about microbial 2 00:00:11,749 --> 00:00:09,679 bowel signatures in the deep terrestrial 3 00:00:13,830 --> 00:00:11,759 subsurface and i'll be specifically 4 00:00:16,550 --> 00:00:13,840 focusing on the approaches of plfa 5 00:00:21,189 --> 00:00:16,560 analysis and carbon isotope analyses for 6 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:23,109 so when we talk about life in the deep 7 00:00:26,870 --> 00:00:24,960 terrestrial subsurface we're talking 8 00:00:28,790 --> 00:00:26,880 specifically about life in the 9 00:00:30,470 --> 00:00:28,800 continental crust so these are 10 00:00:31,990 --> 00:00:30,480 microorganisms that live several 11 00:00:34,229 --> 00:00:32,000 kilometers deep 12 00:00:35,590 --> 00:00:34,239 in natural fractures within crystalline 13 00:00:37,510 --> 00:00:35,600 rock 14 00:00:38,950 --> 00:00:37,520 and we call these systems extreme 15 00:00:41,030 --> 00:00:38,960 environments due to the high 16 00:00:42,869 --> 00:00:41,040 temperatures and pressures as well as 17 00:00:46,549 --> 00:00:42,879 low nutrient availability in these 18 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:46,559 systems and despite these conditions we 19 00:00:50,790 --> 00:00:48,559 still see that microbial communities are 20 00:00:52,790 --> 00:00:50,800 surviving for geological time scales 21 00:00:55,270 --> 00:00:52,800 within these environments 22 00:00:57,189 --> 00:00:55,280 so of course for astrobiologists this is 23 00:00:59,189 --> 00:00:57,199 an important question or important 24 00:01:00,869 --> 00:00:59,199 system to look at just because we're 25 00:01:02,709 --> 00:01:00,879 wondering is there a possibility that 26 00:01:05,350 --> 00:01:02,719 there's life in the subsurface of other 27 00:01:09,830 --> 00:01:05,360 planets or of moons and how could they 28 00:01:13,910 --> 00:01:12,070 so this diagram is a representation of 29 00:01:15,270 --> 00:01:13,920 the carbon cycle in the deep terrestrial 30 00:01:17,910 --> 00:01:15,280 subsurface 31 00:01:20,950 --> 00:01:17,920 so in yellow boxes we have the carbon 32 00:01:22,870 --> 00:01:20,960 pools and in the black boxes we have the 33 00:01:25,590 --> 00:01:22,880 organisms involved 34 00:01:27,510 --> 00:01:25,600 so the earth's surface and the shallow 35 00:01:34,149 --> 00:01:27,520 subsurface are ultimately dependent on 36 00:01:39,109 --> 00:01:36,469 so we have photosynthesis up here 37 00:01:41,109 --> 00:01:39,119 producing oxygen and organic carbon and 38 00:01:43,590 --> 00:01:41,119 this organic carbon is either buried or 39 00:01:45,590 --> 00:01:43,600 it's utilized by heterotrophic organisms 40 00:01:49,350 --> 00:01:45,600 such as sulfate reducing bacteria and 41 00:01:53,429 --> 00:01:51,350 as we go deeper in the subsurface this 42 00:01:56,069 --> 00:01:53,439 organic carbon may become unavailable 43 00:01:57,670 --> 00:01:56,079 for heterotrophs and organisms are going 44 00:02:00,069 --> 00:01:57,680 to have to rely on an alternative 45 00:02:02,590 --> 00:02:00,079 mechanism to fix carbon 46 00:02:05,270 --> 00:02:02,600 so one hypothesis is a hydrogen-driven 47 00:02:07,030 --> 00:02:05,280 chemolitho-autotrophic community 48 00:02:10,229 --> 00:02:07,040 and this is based on 49 00:02:12,949 --> 00:02:10,239 the concept that hydrogen is produced by 50 00:02:14,949 --> 00:02:12,959 abiotic processes such as outgassing 51 00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:14,959 water rock interaction and radiolytic 52 00:02:18,550 --> 00:02:16,720 decomposition of water 53 00:02:20,949 --> 00:02:18,560 and this hydrogen can be utilized by 54 00:02:22,869 --> 00:02:20,959 acetogens and methanogens to produce 55 00:02:25,110 --> 00:02:22,879 acetate and methane 56 00:02:28,309 --> 00:02:25,120 and acetoclastic methanogens can utilize 57 00:02:29,430 --> 00:02:28,319 this acetate and produce methane 58 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:29,440 and 59 00:02:34,229 --> 00:02:31,200 all this methane that is produced can be 60 00:02:36,309 --> 00:02:34,239 utilized by methanotrophic bacteria 61 00:02:37,990 --> 00:02:36,319 which produce hydrogen and co2 as a 62 00:02:41,270 --> 00:02:38,000 result so 63 00:02:43,509 --> 00:02:41,280 evidently methane is an important uh 64 00:02:47,270 --> 00:02:43,519 important point in this in this 65 00:02:50,630 --> 00:02:48,869 so in this study we're using 66 00:02:52,630 --> 00:02:50,640 phospholipid fatty acids as 67 00:02:54,390 --> 00:02:52,640 biosignatures for viable microbial 68 00:02:57,030 --> 00:02:54,400 communities 69 00:02:59,030 --> 00:02:57,040 so phospholipids are a major component 70 00:03:01,030 --> 00:02:59,040 of bacterial and eukaryotic cell 71 00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:01,040 membranes and they're known to degrade 72 00:03:05,110 --> 00:03:03,280 rapidly upon cell death 73 00:03:07,670 --> 00:03:05,120 so as a result we can use these as 74 00:03:09,750 --> 00:03:07,680 indicators for microbial life that is 75 00:03:11,430 --> 00:03:09,760 actually alive 76 00:03:13,830 --> 00:03:11,440 secondly we can look at the 77 00:03:15,270 --> 00:03:13,840 concentrations of the plfa to estimate 78 00:03:16,550 --> 00:03:15,280 the cell densities within these 79 00:03:17,750 --> 00:03:16,560 environments 80 00:03:19,589 --> 00:03:17,760 and thirdly we can look at the 81 00:03:21,830 --> 00:03:19,599 composition of the plfas to get an idea 82 00:03:23,670 --> 00:03:21,840 of what kind of microbial communities or 83 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:23,680 what kind of microorganisms are present 84 00:03:30,149 --> 00:03:28,149 so 85 00:03:32,229 --> 00:03:30,159 in addition to plfa analysis we've used 86 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:32,239 two carbon isotope analyses and the 87 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:35,040 first one is delta c13 88 00:03:38,390 --> 00:03:36,560 which we heard a little bit about 89 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:38,400 yesterday 90 00:03:45,509 --> 00:03:40,480 and what we're interested in for this 91 00:03:47,589 --> 00:03:45,519 technique is uh c12 and c13 only not c14 92 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:47,599 and to illustrate this concept i've 93 00:03:51,110 --> 00:03:49,840 included these 94 00:03:53,110 --> 00:03:51,120 these three 95 00:03:55,430 --> 00:03:53,120 carbon sources dissolved in organic 96 00:03:56,470 --> 00:03:55,440 carbon dissolved organic carbon and 97 00:03:58,470 --> 00:03:56,480 methane 98 00:04:00,309 --> 00:03:58,480 and autotrophy heterotrophy and 99 00:04:02,789 --> 00:04:00,319 methanotrophy are the processes by which 100 00:04:04,470 --> 00:04:02,799 microorganisms will uptake this carbon 101 00:04:06,949 --> 00:04:04,480 from these sources 102 00:04:09,030 --> 00:04:06,959 and they may use this carbon to produce 103 00:04:11,830 --> 00:04:09,040 plfa 104 00:04:13,750 --> 00:04:11,840 so the important point for delta c13 105 00:04:15,670 --> 00:04:13,760 analysis is that microorganisms 106 00:04:17,749 --> 00:04:15,680 preferentially use the lighter carbon 107 00:04:18,550 --> 00:04:17,759 isotope c12 108 00:04:20,150 --> 00:04:18,560 so 109 00:04:21,189 --> 00:04:20,160 if we have a 110 00:04:23,990 --> 00:04:21,199 ratio 111 00:04:25,590 --> 00:04:24,000 or a particular delta c13 value for the 112 00:04:28,070 --> 00:04:25,600 carbon source 113 00:04:29,510 --> 00:04:28,080 which is basically the ratio of c13 to 114 00:04:32,550 --> 00:04:29,520 c12 115 00:04:34,629 --> 00:04:32,560 if a microorganism uptakes that carbon 116 00:04:36,390 --> 00:04:34,639 it'll preferentially use c12 so that 117 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:36,400 ratio will decrease and we'll see a more 118 00:04:40,469 --> 00:04:38,560 negative delta c13 119 00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:40,479 and then when they produce plfa you'll 120 00:04:44,870 --> 00:04:42,720 also see that fractionation so the plfa 121 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:44,880 will be even more depleted 122 00:04:50,230 --> 00:04:48,080 and the extent of this fractionation 123 00:04:52,950 --> 00:04:50,240 depends on the metabolism so 124 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:52,960 we can look at these delta c13 values to 125 00:04:57,270 --> 00:04:54,720 think about what kind of metabolisms are 126 00:05:00,150 --> 00:04:57,280 occurring in these systems 127 00:05:02,790 --> 00:05:00,160 the second carbon isotope analysis or 128 00:05:05,749 --> 00:05:02,800 technique that we use is radiocarbon 129 00:05:09,590 --> 00:05:05,759 and this is based on the idea that c14 130 00:05:12,390 --> 00:05:09,600 is radioactive and it decays over time 131 00:05:17,189 --> 00:05:15,189 in this case if we have a certain amount 132 00:05:19,110 --> 00:05:17,199 of c14 133 00:05:21,510 --> 00:05:19,120 in your carbon source 134 00:05:23,749 --> 00:05:21,520 we won't see that fractionation effect 135 00:05:24,950 --> 00:05:23,759 due to the equations that we're using uh 136 00:05:27,110 --> 00:05:24,960 for delta c 137 00:05:29,510 --> 00:05:27,120 delta c14 138 00:05:30,710 --> 00:05:29,520 so in this case if a microorganism is 139 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:30,720 using 140 00:05:34,790 --> 00:05:32,400 one particular carbon source that has a 141 00:05:37,830 --> 00:05:34,800 specific delta 14c value we should see 142 00:05:40,070 --> 00:05:37,840 that same value in the microbial biomass 143 00:05:41,830 --> 00:05:40,080 and again in the plfa so we can look at 144 00:05:43,670 --> 00:05:41,840 the microbial carbon sources using this 145 00:05:44,469 --> 00:05:43,680 technique 146 00:05:46,230 --> 00:05:44,479 so 147 00:05:47,590 --> 00:05:46,240 sampling from the deep subsurface is 148 00:05:49,590 --> 00:05:47,600 difficult just because of the 149 00:05:51,189 --> 00:05:49,600 inaccessibility of these 150 00:05:53,830 --> 00:05:51,199 of these systems 151 00:05:55,749 --> 00:05:53,840 but luckily some of the deepest mines in 152 00:05:58,070 --> 00:05:55,759 the world are located in south africa 153 00:05:59,110 --> 00:05:58,080 and they provide us with access to these 154 00:06:01,990 --> 00:05:59,120 systems 155 00:06:03,110 --> 00:06:02,000 up to 3.5 kilometers depth 156 00:06:05,510 --> 00:06:03,120 so 157 00:06:07,510 --> 00:06:05,520 basically the exploratory boreholes that 158 00:06:09,510 --> 00:06:07,520 they drill into the walls of the tunnels 159 00:06:11,189 --> 00:06:09,520 can sometimes tap into reservoirs of 160 00:06:12,390 --> 00:06:11,199 water which may contain microbial 161 00:06:14,390 --> 00:06:12,400 communities 162 00:06:17,830 --> 00:06:14,400 and what we do is go down into these 163 00:06:20,710 --> 00:06:17,840 mines and filter this water and then 164 00:06:23,749 --> 00:06:20,720 do analyses such as plfa analysis or 165 00:06:26,309 --> 00:06:23,759 other people are doing like dna analysis 166 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:26,319 just to gain insight into who's there 167 00:06:30,230 --> 00:06:28,560 so in this system or in this study we 168 00:06:32,309 --> 00:06:30,240 are looking at six samples from four 169 00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:32,319 different minds and these four minds are 170 00:06:36,070 --> 00:06:33,840 drifantene 171 00:06:37,909 --> 00:06:36,080 kluth and beatrix 172 00:06:40,150 --> 00:06:37,919 and the depths of these samples come 173 00:06:42,790 --> 00:06:40,160 from about one kilometer depth to about 174 00:06:45,270 --> 00:06:42,800 3.5 175 00:06:46,790 --> 00:06:45,280 so we looked at we extracted plfa from 176 00:06:49,990 --> 00:06:46,800 the six samples 177 00:06:52,629 --> 00:06:50,000 and used those concentrations of plfa to 178 00:06:54,790 --> 00:06:52,639 estimate cell densities within these 179 00:06:55,590 --> 00:06:54,800 within these environments 180 00:06:57,909 --> 00:06:55,600 so 181 00:07:00,230 --> 00:06:57,919 as you can see the cell densities are 182 00:07:02,150 --> 00:07:00,240 actually very low in all all across the 183 00:07:03,830 --> 00:07:02,160 six samples 184 00:07:05,670 --> 00:07:03,840 at less than 10 to the five cells per 185 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:05,680 milliliter of water 186 00:07:10,710 --> 00:07:08,560 and this is consistent with direct cell 187 00:07:12,790 --> 00:07:10,720 counts via microscopy as well as 188 00:07:16,870 --> 00:07:12,800 previous investigations of other 189 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:18,390 in the case of kluth this is an 190 00:07:22,629 --> 00:07:20,880 extremely low cell density 191 00:07:24,469 --> 00:07:22,639 it's actually estimated at about 20 192 00:07:25,670 --> 00:07:24,479 cells per mil 193 00:07:27,350 --> 00:07:25,680 so for those of you who are 194 00:07:29,670 --> 00:07:27,360 microbiologists you'll probably 195 00:07:33,110 --> 00:07:29,680 appreciate that this is extremely low 196 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:33,120 and slightly or very interesting 197 00:07:36,629 --> 00:07:34,240 because 198 00:07:38,070 --> 00:07:36,639 this raises the question for us as to 199 00:07:39,830 --> 00:07:38,080 whether there's actually anything living 200 00:07:43,990 --> 00:07:39,840 there perhaps this is actually just 201 00:07:49,270 --> 00:07:46,870 so we also looked at the 202 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:49,280 composition of the plfa to identify 203 00:07:54,070 --> 00:07:51,680 different microbial groups and this uh 204 00:07:55,430 --> 00:07:54,080 diagram here just represents 205 00:07:57,430 --> 00:07:55,440 the differences between the different 206 00:07:59,589 --> 00:07:57,440 systems so what we see when we look at 207 00:08:01,510 --> 00:07:59,599 this is that they do the composition of 208 00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:01,520 the communities varies 209 00:08:05,510 --> 00:08:02,720 and we see 210 00:08:08,309 --> 00:08:05,520 some similar some similarities between 211 00:08:09,909 --> 00:08:08,319 the two beatrix samples uh drifontaine 212 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:09,919 contained evidence for gram-positive 213 00:08:15,589 --> 00:08:12,800 bacteria and sulfate reducers tautona 1 214 00:08:17,589 --> 00:08:15,599 and 2 and beatrix 1 and 2 215 00:08:19,510 --> 00:08:17,599 contain these cyclic 216 00:08:21,270 --> 00:08:19,520 plfa which are 217 00:08:22,869 --> 00:08:21,280 indicators for 218 00:08:25,830 --> 00:08:22,879 microbial responses to environmental 219 00:08:26,629 --> 00:08:25,840 stressors such as nutrient 220 00:08:29,909 --> 00:08:26,639 but 221 00:08:30,950 --> 00:08:29,919 overall what we find from this is that 222 00:08:32,630 --> 00:08:30,960 we're seeing differences in the 223 00:08:35,509 --> 00:08:32,640 microbial communities so we're probably 224 00:08:37,750 --> 00:08:35,519 going to see differences in metabolisms 225 00:08:39,509 --> 00:08:37,760 and this is in fact what we see 226 00:08:41,670 --> 00:08:39,519 we see 227 00:08:45,110 --> 00:08:41,680 here we're looking at the delta c13 228 00:08:47,590 --> 00:08:45,120 values of plfa which are 229 00:08:49,910 --> 00:08:47,600 indicated 230 00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:49,920 by the orange boxes and then we also 231 00:08:53,670 --> 00:08:52,000 have three potential carbon sources 232 00:08:57,110 --> 00:08:53,680 dissolved in organic carbon dissolved 233 00:08:58,710 --> 00:08:57,120 organic carbon and methane 234 00:09:01,430 --> 00:08:58,720 and 235 00:09:02,870 --> 00:09:01,440 for drifontaine we saw very depleted 236 00:09:05,670 --> 00:09:02,880 plfa 237 00:09:07,910 --> 00:09:05,680 and the negative offset from methane is 238 00:09:09,990 --> 00:09:07,920 indicative of some utilization of 239 00:09:12,070 --> 00:09:10,000 methane as a carbon source so 240 00:09:14,150 --> 00:09:12,080 methanotrophy 241 00:09:15,509 --> 00:09:14,160 for tautona one and tautomeno two and 242 00:09:18,790 --> 00:09:15,519 beatrix 243 00:09:21,910 --> 00:09:18,800 uh the negative offset from the 244 00:09:23,190 --> 00:09:21,920 dic to plfa is indicative of autotrophic 245 00:09:27,430 --> 00:09:23,200 communities 246 00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:27,440 and then for beatrix we actually see we 247 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:28,800 we think that there's a combination of 248 00:09:33,509 --> 00:09:31,760 methanotropic activity as well as 249 00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:33,519 autotrophy 250 00:09:37,750 --> 00:09:35,200 in terms of cliff this is the sample 251 00:09:40,230 --> 00:09:37,760 with the very low cell density um we 252 00:09:41,509 --> 00:09:40,240 didn't have enough plfa for delta c13 253 00:09:44,389 --> 00:09:41,519 analysis 254 00:09:46,949 --> 00:09:44,399 but these values for dic and methane are 255 00:09:49,670 --> 00:09:46,959 consistent with a lack of methanogenesis 256 00:09:51,430 --> 00:09:49,680 and abiotic methane so that's 257 00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:51,440 interesting in terms of 258 00:10:00,710 --> 00:09:58,790 and we also used radiocarbon analysis 259 00:10:03,350 --> 00:10:00,720 delta c14 260 00:10:05,990 --> 00:10:03,360 and to confirm the carbon sources so 261 00:10:07,269 --> 00:10:06,000 for dry fontaine the plfa were slightly 262 00:10:09,509 --> 00:10:07,279 more enriched than the dissolved 263 00:10:11,829 --> 00:10:09,519 inorganic carbon and methane 264 00:10:13,750 --> 00:10:11,839 so it looks like there is some influence 265 00:10:15,430 --> 00:10:13,760 from these two carbon pools but perhaps 266 00:10:17,030 --> 00:10:15,440 there's slightly younger carbon coming 267 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:17,040 in as well 268 00:10:22,870 --> 00:10:19,680 for tautona 1 it's consistent with what 269 00:10:25,269 --> 00:10:22,880 we saw with delta c13 they're utilizing 270 00:10:26,630 --> 00:10:25,279 dic as a carbon source so autotrophic 271 00:10:27,829 --> 00:10:26,640 processes 272 00:10:31,350 --> 00:10:27,839 and 273 00:10:34,069 --> 00:10:31,360 for tautona 2 same same thing um 274 00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:34,079 consistent with autotrophic processes 275 00:10:38,389 --> 00:10:36,079 and beatrix again it looks like there's 276 00:10:40,949 --> 00:10:38,399 they're utilizing dic and methane so 277 00:10:42,630 --> 00:10:40,959 autotrophy and methanotrophy and as 278 00:10:45,350 --> 00:10:42,640 you'll notice we haven't we don't have 279 00:10:47,350 --> 00:10:45,360 measurements for doc here so organic 280 00:10:49,430 --> 00:10:47,360 carbon just because in these systems 281 00:10:51,829 --> 00:10:49,440 organic carbon is usually very low and 282 00:10:53,269 --> 00:10:51,839 so it's in all these cases it was very 283 00:10:55,110 --> 00:10:53,279 difficult to measure 284 00:10:57,509 --> 00:10:55,120 radiocarbon 285 00:10:59,030 --> 00:10:57,519 so we have to keep that in mind 286 00:11:01,430 --> 00:10:59,040 so basically 287 00:11:04,550 --> 00:11:01,440 my overall conclusions from this is that 288 00:11:06,310 --> 00:11:04,560 possible fatty acid analysis is a useful 289 00:11:07,670 --> 00:11:06,320 tool for looking at viable microbial 290 00:11:08,870 --> 00:11:07,680 communities in the deep terrestrial 291 00:11:11,190 --> 00:11:08,880 subsurface 292 00:11:13,670 --> 00:11:11,200 carbon isotopes can provide insight into 293 00:11:16,150 --> 00:11:13,680 the microbial metabolisms that are 294 00:11:16,949 --> 00:11:16,160 occurring in these systems 295 00:11:19,910 --> 00:11:16,959 and 296 00:11:23,269 --> 00:11:19,920 in the case of our samples 297 00:11:25,509 --> 00:11:23,279 we observed plfa in all of our samples 298 00:11:27,990 --> 00:11:25,519 extremely low cell densities and some of 299 00:11:29,350 --> 00:11:28,000 them particularly in the one sample 300 00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:29,360 clues 301 00:11:32,389 --> 00:11:30,800 and we also observed a range of 302 00:11:35,269 --> 00:11:32,399 microbial metabolisms including 303 00:11:37,190 --> 00:11:35,279 methanotrophy and autotrophy so the 304 00:11:39,670 --> 00:11:37,200 presence of these or the observation of 305 00:11:41,350 --> 00:11:39,680 these two metabolisms is consistent with 306 00:11:43,590 --> 00:11:41,360 perhaps the chemolithoautotrophic 307 00:11:45,829 --> 00:11:43,600 community 308 00:11:47,269 --> 00:11:45,839 so again as astrobiologists i'm just 309 00:11:49,030 --> 00:11:47,279 highlighting the implications of this 310 00:11:50,790 --> 00:11:49,040 study 311 00:11:53,269 --> 00:11:50,800 worth wondering is there life on the 312 00:11:57,269 --> 00:11:53,279 subsurface of other planets and moons 313 00:11:59,350 --> 00:11:57,279 so could in if we had a system um or a 314 00:12:01,750 --> 00:11:59,360 planet that you know the the surface of 315 00:12:04,150 --> 00:12:01,760 the planet or moon was inhospitable to 316 00:12:06,870 --> 00:12:04,160 life could there be life surviving 317 00:12:08,629 --> 00:12:06,880 independent of the photosphere 318 00:12:11,350 --> 00:12:08,639 and could those microbial communities 319 00:12:13,269 --> 00:12:11,360 survive over geological time skills 320 00:12:14,949 --> 00:12:13,279 and so this point is 321 00:12:17,030 --> 00:12:14,959 very interesting for some of you may 322 00:12:18,710 --> 00:12:17,040 have heard about a month ago there was a 323 00:12:21,670 --> 00:12:18,720 paper in 324 00:12:23,430 --> 00:12:21,680 nature by holland at all and there they 325 00:12:26,790 --> 00:12:23,440 actually are looking in a different mine 326 00:12:29,190 --> 00:12:26,800 site in canada and they have found 327 00:12:30,150 --> 00:12:29,200 water that is about 2.7 billion years 328 00:12:31,030 --> 00:12:30,160 old 329 00:12:33,110 --> 00:12:31,040 and 330 00:12:34,470 --> 00:12:33,120 in our systems we are seeing very old 331 00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:34,480 water like 332 00:12:40,150 --> 00:12:37,200 approximately 20 million years old but 333 00:12:43,110 --> 00:12:40,160 to see microbial communities living in a 334 00:12:47,030 --> 00:12:43,120 system that is 2.7 billion years old is 335 00:12:48,310 --> 00:12:47,040 pretty incredible so um just a note for 336 00:12:50,150 --> 00:12:48,320 you guys to 337 00:12:52,230 --> 00:12:50,160 look at that and then also just as 338 00:12:55,190 --> 00:12:52,240 another point survival through the late 339 00:12:57,590 --> 00:12:55,200 heavy bombardment if 340 00:13:00,230 --> 00:12:57,600 this is kind of an origins question but 341 00:13:01,590 --> 00:13:00,240 in the early earth maybe the surface of 342 00:13:04,389 --> 00:13:01,600 the earth could have been sterilized by 343 00:13:06,470 --> 00:13:04,399 that 3.8 billion years ago there's the 344 00:13:08,550 --> 00:13:06,480 meteorite impacts and 345 00:13:10,629 --> 00:13:08,560 um could life have survived through that 346 00:13:11,750 --> 00:13:10,639 by living in the subsurface 347 00:13:13,670 --> 00:13:11,760 so overall there's lots of 348 00:13:15,910 --> 00:13:13,680 astrobiological implications 349 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:15,920 and i just want to thank the south 350 00:13:19,190 --> 00:13:17,680 africa gold mines for providing us with 351 00:13:21,030 --> 00:13:19,200 access to these systems because 352 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:21,040 otherwise we would never be able to look 353 00:13:25,509 --> 00:13:23,680 at them and also my collaborators tell 354 00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:25,519 us onstop barbara sherwood lawler 355 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:27,120 kenneth wilkie 356 00:13:31,509 --> 00:13:29,920 eric womack and eric sakowski and my lab 357 00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:31,519 group including my supervisor greg 358 00:13:50,629 --> 00:13:48,230 i'm particularly interested where you're 359 00:13:52,230 --> 00:13:50,639 looking at the carbon-14 and the site 360 00:13:54,629 --> 00:13:52,240 where you had the highest 361 00:13:57,590 --> 00:13:54,639 percentage of uh carbon-14 incorporated 362 00:13:58,790 --> 00:13:57,600 in your organic material yeah 363 00:14:00,949 --> 00:13:58,800 the fact that yeah it looks like your 364 00:14:02,470 --> 00:14:00,959 metabolisms were doing doc the fact that 365 00:14:03,750 --> 00:14:02,480 there's any carbon-14 at all do you 366 00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:03,760 think that you're still getting just 367 00:14:07,350 --> 00:14:05,600 telegraphed stuff from the surface i 368 00:14:09,670 --> 00:14:07,360 mean if it's been relic for a million 369 00:14:11,189 --> 00:14:09,680 years there shouldn't be any carbon 14 370 00:14:13,509 --> 00:14:11,199 really exactly 371 00:14:15,509 --> 00:14:13,519 um it depends on the system so i haven't 372 00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:15,519 included exactly the ages of these 373 00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:17,360 systems and i can't remember them all 374 00:14:23,030 --> 00:14:20,720 part um you know by heart but i um 375 00:14:24,550 --> 00:14:23,040 yes you know we have to think about 376 00:14:26,470 --> 00:14:24,560 um 377 00:14:27,269 --> 00:14:26,480 where is this organic carbon coming from 378 00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:27,279 and 379 00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:29,600 um in some cases we did measure a 380 00:14:35,910 --> 00:14:32,399 dissolved or organic carbon 381 00:14:38,150 --> 00:14:35,920 radiocarbon measurement and 382 00:14:40,550 --> 00:14:38,160 it's actually very difficult to do 383 00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:40,560 because we use these resin columns 384 00:14:44,790 --> 00:14:42,240 i actually don't do it personally but 385 00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:44,800 our collaborators do and um you know 386 00:14:49,269 --> 00:14:46,800 sometimes we have to think about whether 387 00:14:51,509 --> 00:14:49,279 we're introducing young organic carbon 388 00:14:53,269 --> 00:14:51,519 to that pool so 389 00:14:55,110 --> 00:14:53,279 um 390 00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:55,120 yeah so 391 00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:56,800 i don't know i 392 00:14:59,750 --> 00:14:58,000 yeah it's something to think about 393 00:15:01,110 --> 00:14:59,760 whether like what how much influence 394 00:15:03,110 --> 00:15:01,120 there is from the surface which is 395 00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:03,120 exactly what what we're looking at is 396 00:15:10,790 --> 00:15:04,720 can you know are they completely 397 00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:12,629 i'm just wondering whether either you or 398 00:15:16,389 --> 00:15:15,040 any of your collaborators uh have done 399 00:15:18,069 --> 00:15:16,399 or are thinking about doing any 400 00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:18,079 culture-based work with this system 401 00:15:21,189 --> 00:15:19,680 trying to actually grow up anything 402 00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:21,199 that's down there 403 00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:23,760 i you know we have such a like such a 404 00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:26,480 huge group of collaborators i'm doing 405 00:15:30,310 --> 00:15:28,399 everything you know dna analysis i i 406 00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:30,320 believe we do have some doing culture 407 00:15:49,430 --> 00:15:33,680 work um but i'm not entirely sure 408 00:15:55,910 --> 00:15:52,710 so with respect to the methanol trophy 409 00:15:59,269 --> 00:15:55,920 is your system totally loxic or 410 00:16:01,350 --> 00:15:59,279 do you get can the plfa analysis hint uh 411 00:16:04,069 --> 00:16:01,360 towards which type of methanol trophy 412 00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:04,079 this uh these uh communities are 413 00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:05,120 undergoing 414 00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:06,880 yeah so 415 00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:08,160 that's that's a good question because 416 00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:11,600 methanotrophy is typically a um aerobic 417 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:13,440 process but then you have the anaerobic 418 00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:16,720 process of methanogen methanotropes and 419 00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:19,040 the animoxon right 420 00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:19,839 so 421 00:16:24,509 --> 00:16:22,480 um with which is a kind of a 422 00:16:27,829 --> 00:16:24,519 consortium of uh 423 00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:27,839 methanotrophic bacteria and um sulfate 424 00:16:31,509 --> 00:16:29,279 reducers i believe 425 00:16:32,389 --> 00:16:31,519 archaea but yeah archaea 426 00:16:33,990 --> 00:16:32,399 um 427 00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:34,000 so yeah it's an interesting question 428 00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:36,240 because we actually for that one sample 429 00:16:40,389 --> 00:16:37,600 that was always on the left of the 430 00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:40,399 graphs where we saw methanotrophy or 431 00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:41,680 you know it 432 00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:43,360 the carbon isotopes definitely say 433 00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:45,600 methanotrophy um we're not actually 434 00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:48,000 seeing the biomarkers for methanotrophy 435 00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:50,480 so there's a couple plfa biomarkers that 436 00:16:53,509 --> 00:16:52,480 are indicative of methanotrops um 437 00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:53,519 aerobic 438 00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:56,000 methanotropes so we're not seeing those 439 00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:57,440 so that's what i'm starting i'm trying 440 00:17:01,829 --> 00:16:59,680 to think about is like you know how what 441 00:17:04,309 --> 00:17:01,839 is actually occurring here because or 442 00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:04,319 you know maybe not all methanotrops have 443 00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:06,319 those biomarkers so 444 00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:07,360 um 445 00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:09,039 but yeah i mean if i could see those 446 00:17:13,669 --> 00:17:10,480 biomarkers then i would know for sure 447 00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:13,679 that it is aerobic um but we do we do 448 00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:16,079 have oxygen in some of these systems so 449 00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:18,079 yeah do you have any uh dead on the 450 00:17:22,230 --> 00:17:20,160 nitrate present because that's a 451 00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:22,240 alternative pathway for bacterial 452 00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:25,120 methanotrophy under anoxic conditions uh 453 00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,520 you know what actually i can't really 454 00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:29,280 think offhand of what we have yeah for 455 00:17:37,750 --> 00:17:36,390 last question i think 456 00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:37,760 i'm just out of curiosity how do you 457 00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:39,440 date water 458 00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:43,440 find something that's 2.7 459 00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:45,200 yeah just out of somebody might know 460 00:17:49,990 --> 00:17:47,039 this better than me but i believe it's 461 00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:50,000 i'm having to do with um oxygen isotopes 462 00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:52,320 and hydrogen isotopes yeah okay i see 463 00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:54,799 nodding heads 464 00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:57,520 yeah yeah